Mexico 8 Reales (Counterfeit)  1772 to 1808
Mexico 8 Reales (Counterfeit) 1772 to 1808

Maher sent us this picture of a nice 1801 8 reales silver coin from Mexico. It looks great and in excellent condition. Most of these coins have much more wear than this one.

Unfortunately, this coin is counterfeit. It is a good counterfeit, but a counterfeit nevertheless. Counterfeit coins are worth zero.

Our normal appraisal page for these old coins appears at this link. They are quite valuable when in good condition. I hope you have a real one, not a fake.

Most of the time, but not always, it is possible to detect counterfeit coins by comparing them side-by-side with genuine coins. Sometimes well-financed crooks produce excellent copies of rare coins and sell them to unwary buyers for very high prices. Professional authentication services are the only sure way to tell if your coin is genuine or counterfeit. Use PCGS, NGC, ICG, or ANACS for this purpose (look them up on the Internet; do not use other services).

In Maher's case, a careful side-by-side comparison reveals small differences between the genuine and counterfeit coins. Look closely. They are a good match, but not exactly.

Coin: 6357 , Genre: Colonizers and Colonies
Requested by: ahmad, Thu, 23-Dec-2010 13:43:39 GMT
Answered by: Paul, Fri, 13-Sep-2013 16:16:26 GMT
Reviewed by CoinQuest. Appraisal ok., Sun, 13-Sep-2015 20:28:59 GMT
Requester description: 1801 hello i am maher look i have Rare coin i have from 40 years ago the name carolus 4 1801 how i know this original or not i want sell this plz i know this coin original the price 40 million dollars thats right look pictures you can know the coin original or not ? and how i can sell this coin
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I have written a new book on Amazon Books (in Search Box type in: EIGHT REALES). It is a book about contemporary counterfeits, a *must* for every 8 Reales collector. - John Lorenzo
Good luck with your new book, John. Counterfeits are a real problem in modern numismatics. We are just starting to work on a CoinQuest article to introduce the overall subject, but it is a large undertaking. Thanks for writing your book. - CoinQuest (Paul)

The 1801 'Counterfeit' you have posted is actually better described as a Numismatic Forgery. These copies are recently made and are struck in a close collar. This particular variety is described in the book that John Lorenzo refers to as a Class 3 Numismatic Forgery. Unlike the Class 1 Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits the coin is nearly worthless. - Robert Gurney
Thanks, Robert. - CoinQuest (Paul)

I have a 1777 carolus lll , M, 8R in good condition, what is the average price? - Scott
See this page [PRESS HERE] for pictures and values. Read the section on 8 reales Carolus III. - CoinQuest (Paul)

I have a Carolus IIII 1803. M 8R.F.T. I brought it to my jeweler who said it was real silver. Its in very good condition, which made me suspicious He seems to think its genuine. How can I find out for sure?oc - Diane
Hi Diane -- if you'd like to, you can follow this link: [CLICK HERE] and upload photos for us to look at. If a jeweler says it's silver, that's a good sign - many fakes are made of base metal. - CoinQuest (Todd)




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